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	<title>Comments on: Shenanigans with ZFS flushing and intelligent arrays&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-9659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a 6140 I&#039;m not sure. On an older StorageTek FLX280 ZFS was a lot faster. I believe both are xScale procs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>On a 6140 I&#8217;m not sure. On an older StorageTek FLX280 ZFS was a lot faster. I believe both are xScale procs.</code></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-9141</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There, we have a 6140 with expansion tray, 32x450GB 15000K drives attached to 2x5240&#039;s 1.4GHz. I asked the project for a week of performance testing but was turned down. At the time I believed it made sense to allow the built in raid controllers to do the work and created 4xhardware-RAID6 LUNs and presented two luns to each T5240 in RAID0.

Each host runs 8 Oracle 10G databases and 3x10gAS app servers, all with probably different load requirements. DBA&#039;s can&#039;t tell me those requirements though. What I can tell you is the machines have plenty of cpu and approx 10GB real memory of head room with all apps running if I wanted the server cpu&#039;s to do the raidz2 crunching... 

Has anyone ever compared a 6140 with each disk presented as a LUN with raidz2 (mentioned above),  to a 6140 with hardware raid6?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>Hi There, we have a 6140 with expansion tray, 32&#215;450GB 15000K drives attached to 2&#215;5240&#8217;s 1.4GHz. I asked the project for a week of performance testing but was turned down. At the time I believed it made sense to allow the built in raid controllers to do the work and created 4xhardware-RAID6 LUNs and presented two luns to each T5240 in RAID0.</p><p>Each host runs 8 Oracle 10G databases and 3&#215;10gAS app servers, all with probably different load requirements. DBA&#8217;s can&#8217;t tell me those requirements though. What I can tell you is the machines have plenty of cpu and approx 10GB real memory of head room with all apps running if I wanted the server cpu&#8217;s to do the raidz2 crunching&#8230; </p><p>Has anyone ever compared a 6140 with each disk presented as a LUN with raidz2 (mentioned above),  to a 6140 with hardware raid6?</code></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wang, thank you for catching that. Just moved the blog from Nucleus to WordPress a few weeks ago, and it seems some of the old URLs are broken. I&#039;ve fixed them in this entry, so it should work now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>Hi Wang, thank you for catching that. Just moved the blog from Nucleus to WordPress a few weeks ago, and it seems some of the old URLs are broken. I&#8217;ve fixed them in this entry, so it should work now.</code></p>
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		<title>By: Wang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the useful article!

In you article: &quot;*** Please check out the update to this article [here]! There&#039;s a better way now! ***&quot;

But I can&#039;t find the &quot;better way&quot; in that link, please point a way to me

Thank you very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>Thanks for the useful article!</p><p>In you article: &#8220;*** Please check out the update to this article [here]! There&#8217;s a better way now! ***&#8221;</p><p>But I can&#8217;t find the &#8220;better way&#8221; in that link, please point a way to me</p><p>Thank you very much!</code></p>
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		<title>By: Rejean</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Rejean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solaris 10 11/06 and Solaris Nevada (snv_52) Releases&lt;br /&gt;
Set dynamically:&lt;br /&gt;
echo zfs_nocacheflush/W0t1 &#124; mdb -kw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Revert to default:&lt;br /&gt;
echo zfs_nocacheflush/W0t0 &#124; mdb -kw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Set the following parameter in the /etc/system file:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush = 1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Risk: Some storage might revert to working like a JBOD disk when their battery is low, for instance. Disabling the caches can have adverse effects here. Check with your storage vendor.&lt;br /&gt;
[edit] Earlier Solaris Releases&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Set the following parameter in the /etc/system file:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
set zfs:zil_noflush = 1&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Set dynamically:&lt;br /&gt;
echo zil_noflush/W0t1 &#124; mdb -kw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Revert to default:&lt;br /&gt;
echo zil_noflush/W0t0 &#124; mdb -kw&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Risk: Some storage might revert to working like a JBOD disk when their battery is low, for instance. Disabling the caches can have adverse effects here. Check with your storage vendor. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
the second method is working.&lt;br /&gt;
source:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#FLUSH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.solarisinternals...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>Solaris 10 11/06 and Solaris Nevada (snv_52) Releases<br />Set dynamically:<br />echo zfs_nocacheflush/W0t1 | mdb -kw</p><p>Revert to default:<br />echo zfs_nocacheflush/W0t0 | mdb -kw</p><p>Set the following parameter in the /etc/system file:</p><p>set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush = 1</p><p>Risk: Some storage might revert to working like a JBOD disk when their battery is low, for instance. Disabling the caches can have adverse effects here. Check with your storage vendor.<br />[edit] Earlier Solaris Releases</p><p>Set the following parameter in the /etc/system file:</p><p>set zfs:zil_noflush = 1</p><p>Set dynamically:<br />echo zil_noflush/W0t1 | mdb -kw</p><p>Revert to default:<br />echo zil_noflush/W0t0 | mdb -kw</p><p>Risk: Some storage might revert to working like a JBOD disk when their battery is low, for instance. Disabling the caches can have adverse effects here. Check with your storage vendor. </p><p>the second method is working.<br />source:<br /><a href="http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#FLUSH" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.solarisinternals.." rel="nofollow">http://www.solarisinternals..</a>.</code></p>
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		<title>By: Brett Morrow</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Morrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the infortrend units we saw worse performance with zfs.  The problem lies in the cache flush and Infotrend confirmed it can not be turned off.    I asked them to make a not about possible including this.  We did get a lot better performance with adding this to /etc/system:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
set noexec_user_stack = 1&lt;br /&gt;
set noexec_user_stack_log = 1 &lt;br /&gt;
* NOTE: Cache flushing is commonly done as part of the ZIL operations. &lt;br /&gt;
* While disabling cache flushing can, at times, make sense, disabling the &lt;br /&gt;
*ZIL does not.&lt;br /&gt;
* If you tune this parameter, please reference this URL in shell &lt;br /&gt;
* script or in an /etc/system comment.&lt;br /&gt;
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#FLUSH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.solarisinternals...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush = 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>With the infortrend units we saw worse performance with zfs.  The problem lies in the cache flush and Infotrend confirmed it can not be turned off.    I asked them to make a not about possible including this.  We did get a lot better performance with adding this to /etc/system:</p><p>set noexec_user_stack = 1<br />set noexec_user_stack_log = 1 <br />* NOTE: Cache flushing is commonly done as part of the ZIL operations. <br />* While disabling cache flushing can, at times, make sense, disabling the <br />*ZIL does not.<br />* If you tune this parameter, please reference this URL in shell <br />* script or in an /etc/system comment.<br />* <a href="http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#FLUSH" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.solarisinternals.." rel="nofollow">http://www.solarisinternals..</a>. <br />set zfs:zfs_nocacheflush = 1</code></p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 07:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a disk array unit of 24 1T disks with 512MB cache and battery backup. The unit is from infortrend and I have created 1 big LUN of Raid6(h/w raid in infortrend) and attached to a solaris 10 machine and am using single LUN zfs pool. Doing this I am seeing very high IO performance compared with using ufs fs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am not using Raid-Z since OS only sees 1 big disk. &lt;br /&gt;
Is it possible to get much better performance if I make 1 LUN per disks and share all the 24 disks in the unit as 24 LUNs and then make zfs pool of Raid-Z using these 24 LUNs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>I have a disk array unit of 24 1T disks with 512MB cache and battery backup. The unit is from infortrend and I have created 1 big LUN of Raid6(h/w raid in infortrend) and attached to a solaris 10 machine and am using single LUN zfs pool. Doing this I am seeing very high IO performance compared with using ufs fs.</p><p>I am not using Raid-Z since OS only sees 1 big disk. <br />Is it possible to get much better performance if I make 1 LUN per disks and share all the 24 disks in the unit as 24 LUNs and then make zfs pool of Raid-Z using these 24 LUNs?</code></p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;any tips on using Santricity with a Sun STK 6130: do you need specific firmware on 6130 to have SANtricity recognizing the this particular storage?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can&#039;t use SANtricity with a 6130 because it is not an Engenio box.  STORade or CAM only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>&gt;any tips on using Santricity with a Sun STK 6130: do you need specific firmware on 6130 to have SANtricity recognizing the this particular storage?</p><p>You can&#39;t use SANtricity with a 6130 because it is not an Engenio box.  STORade or CAM only.</code></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Lubel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Lubel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cant seem to use the IBM storage manager for managing the 6130, at least the package i saw, it wasnt generic and was looking for a ds4100.. can you tell us in more detail how to get this download from IBM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>cant seem to use the IBM storage manager for managing the 6130, at least the package i saw, it wasnt generic and was looking for a ds4100.. can you tell us in more detail how to get this download from IBM?</code></p>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Gräf</title>
		<link>http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2006/12/shenanigans-with-zfs-flushing-and-intelligent-arrays/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulrich Gräf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zfs:zfs_nocacheflush is supported in Nevada and will probably be in the next S10 update. &lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately it swiches off the »flush write cache scsi command« for all disks in the system - which is a bad idea if you have also zpools on local disks with write caches, like the newer SAS or SATA disks.&lt;br /&gt;
These commands help a lot if you have this mixture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><code>zfs:zfs_nocacheflush is supported in Nevada and will probably be in the next S10 update. <br />Unfortunately it swiches off the »flush write cache scsi command« for all disks in the system &#8211; which is a bad idea if you have also zpools on local disks with write caches, like the newer SAS or SATA disks.<br />These commands help a lot if you have this mixture.</code></p>
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